tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post9081252577138435574..comments2024-01-20T07:17:13.678-05:00Comments on Phil Wyman's Square No More: Frisbee: Time to Toss it BackPastor Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-35299805456299581012007-05-19T12:32:00.000-04:002007-05-19T12:32:00.000-04:00Anytime you come ded we'd love to have you.Anytime you come ded we'd love to have you.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-40756217507192703302007-05-18T05:30:00.000-04:002007-05-18T05:30:00.000-04:00My wife and I actually would like to take several ...My wife and I actually would like to take several trips to the NE. We've thought of NY, Ithaca and the coast of Maine.<BR/><BR/>It may happen some day. Have to pay for this last set of braces first!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-13523272430404485582007-05-17T22:37:00.000-04:002007-05-17T22:37:00.000-04:00Hi Tim,This will always be a part of the Gospel we...Hi Tim,<BR/><BR/>This will always be a part of the Gospel we have to navigate with grace. I am not necessarily convinced that society has evolved to a non-judgmental state about any one thing, and Christianity will navigate to and away from grace from season to season and local to local. Perhaps only when heaven envelopes earth will we have moved past the need for enlightenment.<BR/><BR/>I only fear that we gain one thing, to lose another in some sort of nasty pendulum swinging event.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-54006058669551832992007-05-17T22:33:00.000-04:002007-05-17T22:33:00.000-04:00Hey ded,Your own story is one that helps us live b...Hey ded,<BR/><BR/>Your own story is one that helps us live beyond the narrowness. If you are ever near Salem please be sure to ket us know. Your story is one we would love to hear.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-9603544452975742022007-05-17T17:54:00.000-04:002007-05-17T17:54:00.000-04:00Thank you for highlighting this remarkable story. ...Thank you for highlighting this remarkable story. Unfortunately, the DVD doesn't seem to be available for our region (UK). I hope we now live in more enlightened times and this story can at last be heard without judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-60958760529293153732007-05-17T05:03:00.000-04:002007-05-17T05:03:00.000-04:00True enough. Thinking and feelingthrough is a pro...True enough. Thinking and feeling<BR/>through is a process, and stories that shake our senses force us to recognize how narrow our thinking is sometimes.<BR/><BR/>I have admired your willingness, Pastor Phil, to live beyond narrowness. I think I had to speak because I know we can walk in freedom in Jesus. When folks fail that, we forgive 7 x 70. How long it takes someone to learn is not a concern--other than anyone might risk considerable consequences in that process! That is the great heart-ache of guiding teenagers into adulthood.<BR/>8^)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-7967338375723915822007-05-16T23:12:00.000-04:002007-05-16T23:12:00.000-04:00ded bro,Thanks for sticking your thoughts out ther...ded bro,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sticking your thoughts out there. I am not sure they are minority thoughts. Obviously you have processed this more than most of us, and your considerations are well thought out. I identify with much of what you say. I would hope that all Christians would have the ability to process this issue. It is films like Frisbee which can make the processing happen I believe.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-178194822234032972007-05-16T23:09:00.000-04:002007-05-16T23:09:00.000-04:00Carl,Yes - both good films, and both disconcerting...Carl,<BR/><BR/>Yes - both good films, and both disconcerting.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-21536532024070810142007-05-16T23:08:00.000-04:002007-05-16T23:08:00.000-04:00Josh,I am not sure that knowing what to do with st...Josh,<BR/><BR/>I am not sure that knowing what to do with stories like this is really the answer. Learning to struggle through them with grace, and not hardline written solutions seems to be the answer to me.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-14466659079621863412007-05-16T20:06:00.000-04:002007-05-16T20:06:00.000-04:00I guess I asked that because I suspect I will be a...I guess I asked that because I suspect I will be a minority opinion here, but that is not a bad thing. I walked out of homosexuality because of Christ. Lonnie Frisbee aparently did not so succeed. Yet, he also apparently moved in spiritual power.<BR/><BR/>It is kind of like recognizing Martin Luther. He stood up against an entrenched, religious elite, altering the course of church history; but he walked in hate toward the Jews.<BR/><BR/>What's up with that?<BR/><BR/>On the one hand possibly, we shouldn't reject what Lonnie accomplished because his human failure is so evident...and aren't we all there? Yet, ought he to be lifted up as model of anything?<BR/><BR/>He and Martin Luther beg the question, "What did Jesus' words mean when He said 'I came to set the captive free'? Was Martin Luther free from the hate of this world? Was Frisbee free from lust? Is homosexuality lust or love?<BR/><BR/>I cast no stones at Frisbee. I have walked in his sin. I know his struggle for it is mine. Charisma and signs and wonders follow all sorts of people. Such, however, are not necessarily the mark of the presence of Jesus. <BR/><BR/>The freedom of this site to offer grace to all is much more of a wonder to me and evidence of the spirit of Christ than the life of someone who spoke of one kingdom while feasting in another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-80427217908896872882007-05-16T20:03:00.000-04:002007-05-16T20:03:00.000-04:00this documentary reminded me of the movie "the apo...this documentary reminded me of the movie "the apostle"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-54670252134924547942007-05-16T19:25:00.000-04:002007-05-16T19:25:00.000-04:00Ded,Yes, we care to hear your thoughts!Ded,<BR/>Yes, we care to hear your thoughts!Jenellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06392720397525484494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-58294459284511469122007-05-16T18:02:00.001-04:002007-05-16T18:02:00.001-04:00Ya, I really don't know what to do with stories li...Ya, I really don't know what to do with stories like that. Do we take him as a scandelous con or as a man of God victim to sin and the Church? I don't know. Either way God worked some incredible things through him and which of us has not been victim to sin or our piers? (Especially in Christendom). Hopefully I don't get forgotten when people find that out. :-)Josh Riverahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16612874331992154680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-23945542135394977802007-05-16T18:02:00.000-04:002007-05-16T18:02:00.000-04:00Care to hear the thoughts of one who is not curiou...Care to hear the thoughts of one who is not curious about what Frisbee accomplished?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-58026433471216107032007-05-16T15:28:00.000-04:002007-05-16T15:28:00.000-04:00David,When we hide behind rligion it tends to look...David,<BR/><BR/>When we hide behind rligion it tends to look like the law, doesn't it?Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-41473300084355781312007-05-16T13:26:00.000-04:002007-05-16T13:26:00.000-04:00Wow,Something I definately want to see as a gather...Wow,<BR/>Something I definately want to see as a gathering!<BR/>Funny how we hide behind religion when things don't fit in our theological box.<BR/>What a great testimony that should encourage us all...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14670609970252209273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-18578344671085587092007-05-16T07:31:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:31:00.000-04:00Sally,I only found it by purshasing the DVD. I su...Sally,<BR/><BR/>I only found it by purshasing the DVD. I suppose if you have capabilities to show American DVDs someone could buy the film online and show it there.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-74844829800607978462007-05-16T07:29:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:29:00.000-04:00Jenelle,If you get a copy watch it and discuss it....Jenelle,<BR/><BR/>If you get a copy watch it and discuss it. I really feel the power of the movie is in the thoughtfulness it provokes.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-52761722321696753282007-05-16T07:28:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:28:00.000-04:00John,I'm with you on it being a must see - that an...John,<BR/><BR/>I'm with you on it being a must see - that and Marjoe.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-41138007743489352852007-05-16T07:27:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:27:00.000-04:00Steve,Unfortunately we judge our brother more hars...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately we judge our brother more harshly after death sometimes, and I find that tendency to a sick dishonoring of the dead. Jerry Falwell's passing is giving us a chance to show grace as it should be exhibited.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-71855712216940410502007-05-16T07:25:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:25:00.000-04:00Agent of Austin,There were some great wrap up line...Agent of Austin,<BR/><BR/>There were some great wrap up lines, yet also a nice little hanging ending, which causes viewers to pauses and reflect. It's a great film for dialogue.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-73176817218921355392007-05-16T07:23:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:23:00.000-04:00Hey Marieke,It's not easy to come by. Perhaps hin...Hey Marieke,<BR/><BR/>It's not easy to come by. Perhaps hint that your church needs a copy. ;-)Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-74175627626642551072007-05-16T07:22:00.000-04:002007-05-16T07:22:00.000-04:00John,Thanks for the heads up on the PBS release. ...John,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the heads up on the PBS release. This is a story which will be intriguing to people of many walks of faith, and even non-faith. I found it interesting that David Di Sabatino calls it "a Bible Story."Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-87367583863164540982007-05-16T04:44:00.000-04:002007-05-16T04:44:00.000-04:00Interesting film Phil- thanks for this post- I'd n...Interesting film Phil- thanks for this post- I'd never heard of it before.... wonder if it is available over here??Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759963926280667938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-13742221769107002972007-05-16T02:48:00.000-04:002007-05-16T02:48:00.000-04:00I remember reading about this film in December! A...I remember reading about this film in December! And I'm kicking myself that I still haven't seen it. I've always read and heard that Wimber pretty much single-handedly started the Vineyard movement. I'm really intrigued to watch this film. <BR/><BR/>The Euro Church Planting mission I've just joined (Christian Associates) has its roots in the Jesus People movement. Maybe I need to order a few copies for the whole office.Jenellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06392720397525484494noreply@blogger.com