tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post3696498647863835427..comments2024-01-20T07:17:13.678-05:00Comments on Phil Wyman's Square No More: Ken Silva Responds Without Really Saying Anything ;-)Pastor Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-33672761861468908882007-09-13T20:34:00.000-04:002007-09-13T20:34:00.000-04:00Adam - I'm confused (go figure, I practically have...Adam - I'm confused (go figure, I practically have squatters rights in the land called confused). Are you saying that Evangelicals are modern or aren't you?<BR/><BR/>Moderns tend to come from the standpoint that everything is "knowable", so in that sense dialog and discussion is important as a method for disseminating ideas. However, a post-modern or emergent gives more weight to "experience", with the recognition that experience does not always give knowledge. However, experience lacking knowledge still has value - particularly when shared in dialog.<BR/><BR/>In light of that, I would say that a lack of willingness to discuss or dialog isn't a "modern" or "post-modern" thing. It is simply a characteristic of arrogance and self-righteousness.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that K.S. is those things, but the fruit is what it is....Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745372066042473985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-89106514236645487572007-09-11T15:09:00.000-04:002007-09-11T15:09:00.000-04:00Phil,I was speaking from experience, as a post-fun...Phil,<BR/><BR/>I was speaking from experience, as a post-fundamentalist. I despised being invited to "discuss" matters that I believed the other party "knew full well" were non-negotiable.Adam Gonnermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975190849449996353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-34874113850943310202007-09-10T22:48:00.000-04:002007-09-10T22:48:00.000-04:00Hey Adam,Interesting observation about evangelical...Hey Adam,<BR/><BR/>Interesting observation about evangelical modernistic modes of communication. Dialogue as sin certainly makes anything remotely emergent, or anything based upon an anthropological missiology suspect to heresy.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-86297293986806599712007-09-09T15:41:00.000-04:002007-09-09T15:41:00.000-04:00Dialog? It was modernism that sought debate. In ...Dialog? It was modernism that sought debate. In the eyes of modernism as incarnate in conservative evangelicalism and Christian fundamentalism (two catagories, not one) "discussion" and "dialog" looks like code for chatting about the non-negotiable truths. Coming from that perspective, it is practically a sin to "discuss" anything outside the realm of "orthodox" Christian doctrine.<BR/><BR/>BTW, though I don't describe myself as "emerging" or "emergent," I gladly accept "missional." If I am emerging, I don't know it. I'm certainly not a traditional evangelical, though!Adam Gonnermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975190849449996353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-54417065937943556532007-09-07T07:30:00.000-04:002007-09-07T07:30:00.000-04:00Hey Carl,Good word - good reminder.Hey Carl,<BR/><BR/>Good word - good reminder.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-47119404561982270912007-09-06T23:57:00.000-04:002007-09-06T23:57:00.000-04:00Ken Silva, like us all(and especially me), needs l...Ken Silva, like us all(and especially me), needs love. That's a truth that can set us all free. Even if he doesn't dialogue in a mature manner it does not imply hopelessness.<BR/><BR/>Grace sees goodness in everything ~ BonoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-86536271054358910822007-09-05T11:38:00.000-04:002007-09-05T11:38:00.000-04:00Hey Philip,Nice name. Thanks. It has been entert...Hey Philip,<BR/><BR/>Nice name. Thanks. It has been entertaining to watch from this side of the posting as well.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-2882637530396772852007-09-05T11:37:00.000-04:002007-09-05T11:37:00.000-04:00Hey Bruce,Actually Emergence is called a "Dialogue...Hey Bruce,<BR/><BR/>Actually Emergence is called a "Dialogue" not a church, and it usually consists of people who do want to talk things out. I have found most to be intersted in the process of dialogue and considering things together.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-62035637626651340722007-09-05T11:35:00.000-04:002007-09-05T11:35:00.000-04:00Hey B-man,Well I knew I was unimportant. I guess ...Hey B-man,<BR/><BR/>Well I knew I was unimportant. I guess that explains things.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-41995068162918923592007-09-05T11:33:00.000-04:002007-09-05T11:33:00.000-04:00Hey Jeff,Of course I am expecting it. Responsible...Hey Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Of course I am expecting it. Responsible Christians are people who talk points of disagreement out, and do not jump to conclusions. Right? We'll see I suppose.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-6753998955235839292007-09-04T18:56:00.000-04:002007-09-04T18:56:00.000-04:00i don't really understand this whole thing but i j...i don't really understand this whole thing but i just wanted to say that this post was extremely entertaining to read.philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17460606304995833932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-50917628425314360272007-09-04T12:09:00.000-04:002007-09-04T12:09:00.000-04:00I think that having dialog means that you're NOT p...I think that having dialog means that you're NOT part of the "emergen-cy." Dialog is old fashioned, modernistic, like trying to find the truth by thinking clearly. I have the impression that emergence is all about people thinking what they want without being challenged.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05791587899672940996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-62767443105153373602007-09-04T09:21:00.000-04:002007-09-04T09:21:00.000-04:00That was the first thing I noticed with Ken's "blo...That was the first thing I noticed with Ken's "blog": no place to comment.<BR/><BR/>I would say his blog is kin to the Constantine era church in 300 AD - speakers were of the one-sided, Greek rhetoric influenced style of persuasive speech.<BR/><BR/>There was no dialogue...because what you have to say is uneducated, not from god, or unimportant...<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps Ken doesn't want to defend his own words. Only criticize others.Agent Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03722186597399802204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28637516.post-58558791265860396872007-09-03T22:47:00.000-04:002007-09-03T22:47:00.000-04:00Yeah, good luck with that Phil. You aren't really...Yeah, good luck with that Phil. You aren't really expecting <I>dialog</I> are you?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745372066042473985noreply@blogger.com