Wednesday, September 24, 2008

A Response to Pagan Pride

I thought it would be nice to post a response to the Pagan Pride event. The letter below came by e-mail the day after I taught at Pagan Pride Day. As evidenced by the quality of writing, George Popham is an articulate man, and he was both funny, and challenging with his thoughts during the discussion times. He is finishing his doctoral work in religious anthropology. (I think that was the category of study - something religio-brainy like that.) So, here's George's thoughts:

Pastor Phil,

I just wanted to thank you again for the kind and thoughtful discussion you moderated at pagan pride yesterday. I was so impressed that you managed to neither soft pedal or market away the true differences of belief involved or make those differences excessively confrontational. Usually interfaith dialog between any of the, let's say, 'Abrahamic' faiths and other religions is either so diplomatic that it is dishonest about the true nature of their basic differences, or so focused on the differences that they appear as you aptly put it 'mean and judgmental' Somehow you managed to find a middle course between these extremes and I have seldom seen this done with such grace.

But but you also avoided two other mistakes (I believe) Christians commonly make in witnessing their faith. 1. You did not speak as if we non-christians had never heard this message before and 2. You did not speak to us non-christians as if we were in need of rescue. I know you likely believe we *are* in need of rescue, but that you were respectful enough to not explicitly condescend shows a good heartedness and sensitivity I am not used to encountering among evangelicals. This is important because this attitude conveys that you are aware that many non-christians are just as comfortable and assured of their beliefs as you are, and just as contented in their lives and full of spiritual hope as well. That is, we are as committed to our stuff as you are to yours. Too many Christians fail to recognize this and this tends to shut down discussion right from the start.

The sort of discussion we had yesterday is also encouraging in so far as the discourse between Christians and non-christians has become increasingly and dangerously polarized, toxic and political. That you have drawn such fire for even speaking with neo-pagans is yet another perplexing proof of it. It just seems so un-Christ-like to condemn you for ministering to neo-pagans, after all, that is exactly what Christ would have done. If there is to be any peace at all and if the political fiber of our Country and Constitution is to hold together we need to continually remind each other that whatever we may believe we are NOT enemies.

Christian Day was speaking with my wife after the discussion yesterday and told her how kind, generous and basically samaritan-like you and your people have been in the Salem community. And in this respect I think we have at least one common belief: argument and discussion is worthwhile and even fun, but it is far more important to persuade by one's example of loving kindness.

The whole thing made Debbie and I feel great. We've been talking about it quite a lot. We will likely never share your congregation's religious beliefs, but we hope you will consider us allies all the same.


George Popham and Debbie Fields Popham


George's words were encouraging, and of course I can think of them as allies in a common cause. What do you think?


Alan Knox said...


"He must have a good reputation among outsiders..." Thank you for this example. It should encourage all of us to consider how we're presenting Jesus Christ to those who are nonchristians.


Beth P. said...

Hi Phil--
This is an amazing testimony to the hard, soulful work you do. Thank you.

As for George and Debbie and a host of others being allies...if the goal is kindness and loving one another as we have been loved...they are allies and in fact, probably at least lieutenant status.

Thanks again--
Beth P.

cern said...

I've not had a problem being an ally with you over the past... how many years is it now? At least 6. The alliance is one that seeks to help right wrongs, bust myths and above all, exercise compassion, respect and love for one another. We don't have to agree with one another to have respect and love for one another. We DO need to stop seeing one another as 'the enemy'.

Hugs Bro, great response to your workshop at the Pagan pride day and a testament to how worthwhile such dialogue can be.



Pastor Phil said...


Thanks for linking here. I'm sure you'll get some interesting dialogue bro.

Pastor Phil said...


Good word. Strange how birds of a feather often end up eating each other, and different flocks come together in peace. What's that all about!? ;-)

Pastor Phil said...


What?! You don't agree with everything I believe. Oh - I'm crushed. ;-)

Love ya bro

Alan Knox said...


So far, the discussion and comments have all been positive. Thanks again.


Pete Aldin said...

This is truly inspiring, Phil. I wonder if this line you are walking is the one right down the middle of the Narrow Road?

Pastor Phil said...

Hi Pete,

I'm sure hoping that's what this edge-walking is. Thanks.