Thursday, January 18, 2007

Tony Jones, Wales, and Final Thoughts on Boston Emergent Coven, uhm I mean Cohort


Okay, I did not remember to ask the question last night, but I asked by e-mail today, and yes, Tony is of Welsh heritage. Duh - Jones. My gosh, his great-grandfather was a Welsh Presbyterian Minister, and his tombstone in Minnesota is inscribed in Welsh. Dang, my Welshness is so far back, it almost connects to Llewelyn ap Gruffydd.

So Tony has one up on me there. but I speak some broken Welsh, and he doesn't know lick of it, so I've got one up on him there. I am waiting to hear his Welsh stories he is going to tell me someday, and discover how deep is his hiraeth. Then we'll bust out a pint and shout "IECHYD DA!"

Apart from that I had a great time with the Emergent Coven of 13 in Boston last night, and I will be posting some thoughts on Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Emergent. Marieke got me going on this track.

Competition Time!


The first person to tell me the most recent Prince of Wales gets a special monster link to their blog site. Hint: the answer is quite nationalistic.

13 and one half hours after posting:
Marieke from Raining Grace came up with the correct answer: Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, although she also came up with the acceptable second answer: Owain Glyndwr

Marieke is a friend of the Cymry!

36 comments:

carl said...

uhh I don't know. Prince Charles.

Pastor Phil said...

Blaaaat! Sorry that was the nasty buzzer which tells you are wrong, and like way wrong! ;-)

Shannon said...

I would have thought the same thing, Prince Charles.

What say you of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales

Shannon said...

Btw, my family is of Welsh heritage.

Pastor Phil said...
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Pastor Phil said...

Charles?

Heresy it is! Heresy!

Blaaaaaat! to Shannon too. ;-)

I've stood at Caernarfon Castle and cried.

Shannon said...

lol

Pastor Phil said...

Welsh are you Shannon? Then learn this lesson you must. ;-)

Shannon said...

This is a stab in the dark here but I'm going to guess,
Edward of Caernarfon

Pastor Phil said...

Aaaaaah! Stabbed me in the heart ye have!

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!

Shannon said...

Then could it be Prince William by scattered chance? Yes, this is my final answer. For the Gold!!!

Pastor Phil said...

Shannon - you are - the weakest link.
Stay tuned for the answer.

Dang this is fun.

Steve Hayes said...

Funny you should mention Wales so much recently. I've just finished reading The Mabinogion.

Marieke said...

Ok, I'm taking a stab at this....

Owain ap Gruffudd Fychan, AKA Owain Glyndwr was the last Prince of Wales.

Pastor Phil said...

Steve,

I absolutely love the first tale of Pwyll in the Mabinogion. Of course you have to pronounce that "ll" properly.

Marieke said...

Nevermind, scratch that.....he wasn't a Prince, just in the princely line.

You've got the answer right up on your blog!

I'm guessing you consider Llywelyn ap Gruffudd to be the last Prince of Wales.

Marieke said...

Unless you count his brother, Dafydd.

Pastor Phil said...

ding, ding, ding, ding!!

We have a WINNER. Well, it will work as an acceptable a secondary answer.

The Welsh nationalists are still waiting for the return of Owain Glyndwr. On Septmeber 16th, 1400 his suppoerters declared him Prince of Wales, and his 15 year war against the English which was successful in brining the Welsh 4 years of independence finally ended with him running to the hills. No one knows how he died, and the Welsh await his return still.

Pastor Phil said...

Okay Marieke now you've landed the rights to be called the strongest link.

Llywelyn ap Gruffudd is the answer!

Marieke said...

Sweeeeeet!! I rock! (And so humble too, hehehe)

I think the Irish part of me must have known deep down it couldn't be Prince Charles. Bah!

I might be part Welsh too, for all I know....that side is a bit muddled.

Shannon said...

Inconceivable!! Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales...we all know this other fella will never "return" :)

I demand a re-count...or something.

Pastor Phil said...

Shannon,

The last guy I saw use the term "inconceivable!" chose the wrong bottle to drink from.

And you say you're of Welsh heritage. You crown kisser. Go directly to http://www.monarchy.net/

;-)

Shannon said...

Nice site! :)

Over the summer, I learned that my ancestry originated in Wales. Many of the Lewis' left about the same time for America. As I understand it. I and my cousin are dabbling into the history to find more evidence and information. It's like hunting a needle in a haystack I say!

Pastor Phil said...

It may be hopeless making an angry Welsh Nationalist out of you. Could you maybe move toward being a happy Welsh nationalist? Shout a few phrases like "Cymry am byth!," or "Down with the Monarchy!" and you'll feel better.

grace bro - keep the search for that needle up.

Pastor Phil said...

Shannon,

I do know a guy who is quite the historian on the Welsh in America, and he might be able to help if you are on a serious hunt.

Let me know.

Shannon said...

Phil,

I am quite serious about the hunt. I've been interested in my family history for years. Just this past summer we had our first ever Lewis family reunion where I met some of my cousins that I hadn't seen or had contact with for 30 years. One of my cousins has done a great deal of research and it has revealed our ancestry is Welsh. But many questions remain unanswered. I would love to discover more, so by all means I would appreciate any leads. :)

Sally said...

too late to give the answer- but my family is half welsh- my husbands cousins all still live in Wales.... a couple of years ago we attended a service at a Welsh speaking Chapel they taught us to sing Santithe, Sanctithe, Sanctithe ( Holy, Holy, Holy ) in Welsh it was waesome- God's won language was beautiful!!!

Pastor Phil said...

Shannon,

If you have some specific questions e-mail them to me, and I can see if Eirug can help you out.

Pastor Phil said...

Sally,

There will be more Welsh questions to come. ;-) Yes, the language is "yr iaith nefoedd" indeed.

ded said...

Phil, you might enjoy reading
Hood by Stephen Lawhead.

He resets the story of Robin Hood in Wales a couple hundred years before the other legend. He then offers at the end of the book the history that could suggest his plot line. It's a an entertaining read.

ded said...

Visited your link to Llewelyn ap Gruffydd. Can't remember exactly (the old brain drops random facts consistently these days) but the time period or just a few years prior is the setting in Lawhead's book. The character who becomes Hood is "Rhys" somebody.

If you have already read it, did you like it?

Pastor Phil said...

Lawhead seems to avor some Welsh influence in his writings. Often using some variation of Welsh name place spelling.

I haven't read Hood.

The Welsh have a folk hero who is quite a famous outlaw named Twm Sion Cati, and a guy named John Davies Rhys wrote about him in the 1500s.

Would that be him?

ded said...

Neither of those names are in the book. I am certain the time period of the book is the 12th century as their are many references to the French ruling the kingdom as a result of 1066. Part of the plot line is Rhys attempting to pay off the French to gain back the rule of his lands and they diffidently continue to raise the price on him. This, along with some other factors drive Rhys into guerilla warfare against the French, hence he earns the price on his head as an outlaw.

Anonymous said...

their=there
good grief how did I make that error!

Agent B said...

Dang.

I was gonna guess that punk kid of Lady Di's. You know. What's his name. Spanky. With the big teeth.

Pastor Phil said...

If you'd answered first, I might have had to consider it as a close second. Sometimes it's not what you answer, but how.