This is a continuation of the first post on this subject. It had three video clips from Salem, MA from three different people who were part of an Emergent Cohort meeting. They simply gave a single sentence answer to "what is emergent?" Here are three more clips from the same evening two nights ago on Tuesday, March 2nd 2010 at The Gathering in Salem, MA.
The clips are non-professional answers - i.e. from people who don't have a monetary investment in defining "emergent."
This first clip is Jeff. He may have more of a personal investment than any of the rest of the others, because he is the chap who founded the Boston, and the North Shore of Boston Emergent Cohorts. Don't let that sway you though - he doesn't make a buck from it. Looses a few bucks I am sure.
Jesse below pastors a house church in Beverly, MA. He and I hung out for a pint after the meeting. See, he has got to be emergent! He drank a pint at the Gulu-Gulu Cafe with me, and an unidentified Baptist dude. I would have said that Jesse had the best answer until he revealed he was kidding, and started over. :-)
This last one is Paul. He attends The Gathering as do a couple of the others in previous clips. He is a student at Gordon Conwell. I like his "free-thinkers" quote, but I'm not sure that my atheist friends would agree with that point, but that's for future discussions.
Thursday, March 04, 2010
Wednesday, March 03, 2010
Some answers from Salem, MA defining the "Emergent Church"
These people are not Emergent professionals. They have not written books defining emergent, nor do they get paid for something which gets placed under the emergent banner. They are just regular people. Some know the Emergent professionals - you know who I mean, Brian McLaren, Tony Jones, etc. Some don't. Some have gone or are going to seminary. Some have not and will not. They are regular people without an agenda to define the Emergent Church/Conversation or whatever they choose to call it. Different backgrounds, different reasons for being part of the conversation. But listen to what they have to say. This is the first three out of six responses I taped at an Emergent Cohort meeting in Salem, MA.
Here's Ben. I like Ben. He's pretty cool. I guess he looks pretty emergent too. Check out the glasses, and yes, he's a Mac guy.
This is Carlos. What he doesn't tell you is that he is a Sociology Professor. We had a dialogue about the roles of gender in the church - well, he teaches this stuff at University.
This is Cindy. Cindy rocks. She runs Kupenda. Please check it out by following the link.
Here's Ben. I like Ben. He's pretty cool. I guess he looks pretty emergent too. Check out the glasses, and yes, he's a Mac guy.
This is Carlos. What he doesn't tell you is that he is a Sociology Professor. We had a dialogue about the roles of gender in the church - well, he teaches this stuff at University.
This is Cindy. Cindy rocks. She runs Kupenda. Please check it out by following the link.
Emerging Church: What is it?
A rather inauspicious beginning this is to a season of searching "under the pews" of world religions, but the question keeps coming my way, and it is obviously hot in many Christian circles. So, my friends have pushed the topic forward.
I have been called emergent/emerging by some people. In fact, professor Adonis Vidu from Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary sends students of his class, which looks at the emerging movement to visit our church as an illustration of emergence. (Please note: I have purposely used all the cognates of "emerge" here.)
I am not sure I am one. I really think I am just a dude trying to follow Jesus, and succeeding and failing at any given moment. Somehow I ended up as a professional follower. Okay, not all that professional, because I really don't get paid enough to be a real pro. :-)
The movement has obviously garnered some criticism. So it is worth discussing whether this is warranted or not. Check out this super radically critical study series, which you can buy - if you are into this kind of stuff. Be sure to click on the video and watch it!
So first comes the question: How do you define emergent? Is it a church, or something other?
Later today and tomorrow I will be adding short video shots of some of the people from the Northshore of Boston. They come from a variety of backgrounds and have been involved in a Northshore Emergent Cohort. I did not want the theologians of the movement to define it, because they are invested in such a way as to define what they would like it to be. These were people who have been a part of it as followers, those who don't really know what it is, and those who are just trying to figure out how they fit in with God and life. They are mostly regular people, some students of theology, some pastors, not all carrying the moniker of "emergent."
But first let's banter this about. The definition may vary according to where you may live. The UK variation appears to be different from the US variation I am familiar with. Nonetheless, we will start here. What do you think Emergent is? Is it good for Christianity? or is it heretical and a satanic bane to healthy church life like the video on the link above appears to suggest?
I have been called emergent/emerging by some people. In fact, professor Adonis Vidu from Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary sends students of his class, which looks at the emerging movement to visit our church as an illustration of emergence. (Please note: I have purposely used all the cognates of "emerge" here.)
I am not sure I am one. I really think I am just a dude trying to follow Jesus, and succeeding and failing at any given moment. Somehow I ended up as a professional follower. Okay, not all that professional, because I really don't get paid enough to be a real pro. :-)
The movement has obviously garnered some criticism. So it is worth discussing whether this is warranted or not. Check out this super radically critical study series, which you can buy - if you are into this kind of stuff. Be sure to click on the video and watch it!
So first comes the question: How do you define emergent? Is it a church, or something other?
Later today and tomorrow I will be adding short video shots of some of the people from the Northshore of Boston. They come from a variety of backgrounds and have been involved in a Northshore Emergent Cohort. I did not want the theologians of the movement to define it, because they are invested in such a way as to define what they would like it to be. These were people who have been a part of it as followers, those who don't really know what it is, and those who are just trying to figure out how they fit in with God and life. They are mostly regular people, some students of theology, some pastors, not all carrying the moniker of "emergent."
But first let's banter this about. The definition may vary according to where you may live. The UK variation appears to be different from the US variation I am familiar with. Nonetheless, we will start here. What do you think Emergent is? Is it good for Christianity? or is it heretical and a satanic bane to healthy church life like the video on the link above appears to suggest?
Tuesday, March 02, 2010
Navigating the Wild World of Religious Experience
I will be taking a trip through the religious experience, and the thoughts and beliefs of the religions of the world. Those which are closest to home, and your heart will be the primary foci. Cultural issues will be discussed in the light of religion. Yes, I am a Christian pastor, but I will be looking at other religions of the world along with Christianity. I'd like to have you join me.
Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Tony Jones gets Pentecostal (well, gets pentecostal studies going)
Tony and I had some discussions about the topic of Pentecostalism and the Emergent Church/Dialogue a couple years ago. I am probably late in seeing this, but now Tony is studying the topic to present a paper.
Tony was not particularly comfortable in Pentecostal settings at that time, and was open in saying so when he was with us for conference. Follow this link and add your thoughts to the discussion at his blog if you like. I did. Then again I have blogged about this topic in the past, and speak as being one of those pesky Pent-emergents.
See my previous posts:
A bunch of friends respond to figuring out how to fit as pentecostal emergents in response to a post
Considering the difficulty of being Pentecostal and Emergent
Questioning what we might learn from Pentecostals reaching the poor
Identifying the struggle of Emergent/Pentecostal links being like a Orthodox/Anabaptist link
Pentecostals and Social Justice a challenge to the Emergent Church
talking with Tony about Pentecostals having a place in the Emergent Church
on Tony's visit with us
Tony was not particularly comfortable in Pentecostal settings at that time, and was open in saying so when he was with us for conference. Follow this link and add your thoughts to the discussion at his blog if you like. I did. Then again I have blogged about this topic in the past, and speak as being one of those pesky Pent-emergents.
See my previous posts:
A bunch of friends respond to figuring out how to fit as pentecostal emergents in response to a post
Considering the difficulty of being Pentecostal and Emergent
Questioning what we might learn from Pentecostals reaching the poor
Identifying the struggle of Emergent/Pentecostal links being like a Orthodox/Anabaptist link
Pentecostals and Social Justice a challenge to the Emergent Church
talking with Tony about Pentecostals having a place in the Emergent Church
on Tony's visit with us
Friday, January 29, 2010
Lecturing at St. Donat's Castle in Wales
Oh yeah, I'm living like Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. I will lecturing about Witches, Pagans, and Druids at a castle in Wales on Friday, February 12th at 6:30pm.
You might never again have the opportunity to have a real life Harry Potteresque experience like this one. The topic in interfaith communication and relationships between widely variant belief systems - in this case Christianity and Neo-Paganism.
What better place to hold such a lecture than a Welsh Castle?! St. Donat's Castle in the Vale of Glamorgan is owned by Atlantic College, and I am giving the lecture for students. There is a facebook event page for this.
Come and join me for the fun. Witches! Castles! in the UK! Move over Ms. Rowling. I'm doing the real thing!
If you are interested in being a part of such a dialogue, but can not make it to Wales there is a Christian/Pagan dialogue online called Circle and Cross Talk. Circle and Cross Talk is sponsored by The Gathering.
Suggested reading on the subject "Beyond the Burning Times."
You might never again have the opportunity to have a real life Harry Potteresque experience like this one. The topic in interfaith communication and relationships between widely variant belief systems - in this case Christianity and Neo-Paganism.
What better place to hold such a lecture than a Welsh Castle?! St. Donat's Castle in the Vale of Glamorgan is owned by Atlantic College, and I am giving the lecture for students. There is a facebook event page for this.
Come and join me for the fun. Witches! Castles! in the UK! Move over Ms. Rowling. I'm doing the real thing!
If you are interested in being a part of such a dialogue, but can not make it to Wales there is a Christian/Pagan dialogue online called Circle and Cross Talk. Circle and Cross Talk is sponsored by The Gathering.
Suggested reading on the subject "Beyond the Burning Times."
Labels:
Circle and Cross Talk,
Neo-Paganism,
Phil Wyman,
Wales,
Witches
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
The Old Spot Pub: Hot with Theology Tonight
What do you get when you cram 15 people into the corner of a pub near the front door all discussing the potential of an apocalypse?
You get the waitress making room in the dining room for the group.
That's what happened tonight. It was a full house of pub theologians and the topic was apocalyptic pronouncements and our opinion of them. It was a predominantly Christian group, which is often not the case in our Pub Theology gatherings. The topic went from religious pronouncements of apocalypse, to scientific pronouncements (Global Warming), to discussions on what makes apocalyptic declarations a necessary element of human desire, to philosophical considerations on the nature of time (always a fun one for me).
It was rowdy, it was fun, it included a brew or two, and it was church like it was meant to be.
You get the waitress making room in the dining room for the group.
That's what happened tonight. It was a full house of pub theologians and the topic was apocalyptic pronouncements and our opinion of them. It was a predominantly Christian group, which is often not the case in our Pub Theology gatherings. The topic went from religious pronouncements of apocalypse, to scientific pronouncements (Global Warming), to discussions on what makes apocalyptic declarations a necessary element of human desire, to philosophical considerations on the nature of time (always a fun one for me).
It was rowdy, it was fun, it included a brew or two, and it was church like it was meant to be.
Labels:
Apocalypse,
Pub Theology,
The Gathering at Salem
Monday, January 25, 2010
End of the World - Pub Theology 1/2010
Tomorrow the End of the World is coming. It is arriving at Pub Theology at the The Old Spot in Salem.
We will discuss the issue of apocalyptic annunciations. Do you believe that the world will come to a cataclysmic end? Is it soon or still millennia away? Is it based on science and global warming or apocalyptic literature and prophecy? What do you think about the 2012 date for the end of the world? What about the 2nd coming of Christ?
There is a facebook event page about it - you can find it here.
Come and join us before the world ends and there are no more Pub Theology events!
We will discuss the issue of apocalyptic annunciations. Do you believe that the world will come to a cataclysmic end? Is it soon or still millennia away? Is it based on science and global warming or apocalyptic literature and prophecy? What do you think about the 2012 date for the end of the world? What about the 2nd coming of Christ?
There is a facebook event page about it - you can find it here.
Come and join us before the world ends and there are no more Pub Theology events!
Thursday, January 21, 2010
Why I believe in Hell
Do NOT expect a theological study with scripture references and philosophical justifications for a loving God creating a place of eternal torment. That is not what this post is about.
Jesus talked about Hell, and I suppose as a follower of Jesus that ought to be enough to justify some kind of blind acceptance for a theologically difficult, and often incongruous belief as eternal judgment from the hands of a loving God. I suppose in some way Jesus' words are enough for me, but something else has caused me to accept the belief in Hell more deeply in the last few months.
As I look to Jesus' words I find that perhaps his own justifications for the acceptance of a belief in Hell were bolstered by the same justification I have recently embraced.
Jesus appears to speak of Hell most frequently in the presence of the religious elite - the Pharisees, and Sadducees. My favorite Bible verse on the subject is just such a context, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves." (Matthew 23:15)
The kind of people to whom Jesus is speaking are my most recent self-justification for believing in Hell. It is NOT Adolf Hitler, although he is certainly high on the list of people who have become justifiable arguments for needing a place like Hell. Other similar evil world leaders do NOT become my justification.
Like Jesus, my justification for believing in Hell is found in religious leaders.
I live in Boston. Every day for a couple years, it seemed that the Boston Globe carried the ongoing story of the priest abuse scandal on the front page. I am convinced there is a Hell.
The same story continues today in Ireland with an ongoing and yet connected Irish priest abuse scandal. I am convinced there is a Hell.
When worldwide ministries appear to be robbing widows with false promises of healing, prosperity, and miraculous divine favor when in actuality they repeatedly. These are a few of the things which convince me there is a Hell.
I wonder if these same kind of things convinced Jesus of the existence of Hell. It works for me. It is not this wicked world, which convinces that there is a place called Hell. It is the wickedness found in those who deceive honestly religious people for selfish and sick purposes who convince me there is a place of torment designed by a loving God.
Jesus talked about Hell, and I suppose as a follower of Jesus that ought to be enough to justify some kind of blind acceptance for a theologically difficult, and often incongruous belief as eternal judgment from the hands of a loving God. I suppose in some way Jesus' words are enough for me, but something else has caused me to accept the belief in Hell more deeply in the last few months.
As I look to Jesus' words I find that perhaps his own justifications for the acceptance of a belief in Hell were bolstered by the same justification I have recently embraced.
Jesus appears to speak of Hell most frequently in the presence of the religious elite - the Pharisees, and Sadducees. My favorite Bible verse on the subject is just such a context, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves." (Matthew 23:15)
The kind of people to whom Jesus is speaking are my most recent self-justification for believing in Hell. It is NOT Adolf Hitler, although he is certainly high on the list of people who have become justifiable arguments for needing a place like Hell. Other similar evil world leaders do NOT become my justification.
Like Jesus, my justification for believing in Hell is found in religious leaders.
I live in Boston. Every day for a couple years, it seemed that the Boston Globe carried the ongoing story of the priest abuse scandal on the front page. I am convinced there is a Hell.
The same story continues today in Ireland with an ongoing and yet connected Irish priest abuse scandal. I am convinced there is a Hell.
When worldwide ministries appear to be robbing widows with false promises of healing, prosperity, and miraculous divine favor when in actuality they repeatedly. These are a few of the things which convince me there is a Hell.
I wonder if these same kind of things convinced Jesus of the existence of Hell. It works for me. It is not this wicked world, which convinces that there is a place called Hell. It is the wickedness found in those who deceive honestly religious people for selfish and sick purposes who convince me there is a place of torment designed by a loving God.
Wednesday, January 13, 2010
Pat Robertson and the Haitian Satanic Pact Myth
Pat Robertson spoke out today about the Haitian earthquake. Plus two points from Pat and CBN for raising money for the people who have been hit by the tragedy. Minus I am not sure how many points for Pat Robertson saying that Haiti has been bit with this tragedy because of a 200 year old pact with the devil, which they supposedly made when slaves rose up to free themselves from French rule and cruel slavery.
The pact with the devil supposedly occurred in 1791, and followed 13 years of bloody revolution. At the end of the revolution the Haitians actually sent French soldiers who came to enforce slavery back their commanders instead of killing them in a historically noble act. For a fuller discussion of this supposed history follow this link to a Haitian minister's response to the supposed pact.
I have spent quite a few years busting nyths about the Neo-Pagan community here in Salem, MA and around the world. My reason for doing so is because I believe that in order to fully express God's love to people we must be speakers of truth - not just about God, but as importantly truth about them. If we believe lies about people, and people groups we become unwitting slanderers, and ruin our own reputation along with other people's reputations.
So, in this instance please give to help Haiti, but do not automatically be convinced of this "pact with Satan" story without fuller historical evidence. Shame on those leaders who tell these stories without having the evidence.
To give I suggest the Salvation Army. It is one of the biggest "bang for your buck" emergency relief providers around, and have my deepest respect. They are usually first in - last out, often before the Red Cross.
For more see my article at The Examiner
The pact with the devil supposedly occurred in 1791, and followed 13 years of bloody revolution. At the end of the revolution the Haitians actually sent French soldiers who came to enforce slavery back their commanders instead of killing them in a historically noble act. For a fuller discussion of this supposed history follow this link to a Haitian minister's response to the supposed pact.
I have spent quite a few years busting nyths about the Neo-Pagan community here in Salem, MA and around the world. My reason for doing so is because I believe that in order to fully express God's love to people we must be speakers of truth - not just about God, but as importantly truth about them. If we believe lies about people, and people groups we become unwitting slanderers, and ruin our own reputation along with other people's reputations.
So, in this instance please give to help Haiti, but do not automatically be convinced of this "pact with Satan" story without fuller historical evidence. Shame on those leaders who tell these stories without having the evidence.
To give I suggest the Salvation Army. It is one of the biggest "bang for your buck" emergency relief providers around, and have my deepest respect. They are usually first in - last out, often before the Red Cross.
For more see my article at The Examiner
Labels:
Haiti,
Pat Robertson,
Phil Wyman,
Salvation Army
Saturday, January 09, 2010
The Face(book) of My Faith
Is my faith best measured by those who believe like I do, or those who stand outside it looking in critically?
This was the question I asked on a tweet on New Year's Day. Once my tweet made it across the not so great divide from Twitter to Facebook it turned into a discussion. The thrusting and parrying of terms turned into a wildly different set of values about faith over the next 46 comments.
The comments can be divided up into four basic responses:
1) Our faith is personal. No one should be able to judge it.
2) Those on the inside - who believe like we do are the only one's who have a valid judgment point from which to gauge the validity of our spiritual strength, and the stability of our faith.
3) Outsiders (those who do not believe as we do) are a better gauge of our faith than those who think just as we do.
4) a general "neither" with some leaning toward the idea that only God is a real judge of faith.
Then there were some random asides which were bunny trails off the main point.
The group of people responding was a combination of conservative Christians, liberal Christians, a couple Neo-Pagans, and some harder to define people.
Faith as a personal unjudgeable element was held out as the option by those who were from every position - conservative and liberal Christian, and Neo-Pagan. Responding "neither" was similarly spread across the demographic. Responding that insiders and/or outsiders were the better judges came only from the conservative leaning evangelicals, with those who are most missional minded responding that outsiders were the better judges.
My question was not presented as query about the general validity of measuring a person's faith, as much as a recognition that it happens in this world today whether we like it or not. In typical missiological (missional for the more trackable pop term) consideration (since that is my bent) I wondered about this as it relates to the betterment of the faith system I value - Christianity - yet, not as a denominational system, but a more as mystical invisible line of demarcation - i.e those who know God generally as I know God, and follow Jesus in living measurable faith.
Off the Facebook grid, someone on Twitter responded that our faith was measured by our works. Harkening back to our Bible buddy James we know that this is a biblical concept - so it fits into my worldview, but I am still left with the question, who judges those visible works of my faith best? those who think like I do, or those who are critically evaluating my faith works (from here on out I will create a new word "faithworks") from an outsider's perspective?
The problem with an insider's perspective of my faithworks is that since they think like I do, they are far more likely to have the same blind spots, and myopic evaluations of Christianity that I have. Their view of my faith will be tainted by the little cultural, western, 20th century, evangelical Christian paradigm I have lived within. If our faith system has been off course by 2º for a couple centuries we may be miles away from plumb, and not know it, because we have been told we are on the course of the straight and narrow our whole lives. We have even been given scripture references and proof texts to validate our experience.
Now of course, the problem with the outsider's critical view is that their expectation of my faithworks may be tainted by a cultural bias against my traditions. Sexual mores, theological misstatements by church leaders, abuse int he name of religion may all play a part in a skewed reference point, and an automatic rejection of my faith system as a completely broken and invalid system of belief.
Since I am missional and driven that way by a deep seated desire to adventure into faithworks I am less concerned with how my cronies view my faith. This of course is dangerous. It could get one excommunicated by golly! But I want my faith to live in places where my "kind of faith" is typically lampooned.
Furthermore I choose (please note the word "choose") to view those who critically look at my faith as people who are typically well intentioned and in search of authenticity. I tell myself that they have probably rejected Christianity for a good reason. There are after all a couple reasons to do so. Maybe a few. Okay maybe a whole bunch. If I truly view them as being on an authentic search then I place a mantle of nobility upon them. In the course of the discussion it was observed that I appeared to place something that looked like the Romanticist's innocent savage moniker upon everyone who criticized Christianity. I responded by saying that although I did not have a Rousseauan noble savage anthropology, looking for the noble in the savage appeared quite Christ-like to me. (This will probably become a whole new post at some point soon.)
Now I know that on a person to person basis there will be Christians whose evaluation of my faith is beneficial and valuable. I also know that there will be Christians who expect me to live up to some culturally established set of unwritten and silly rules. Similarly these potentials will occur with those whose faith is different than my own, but this I do know: I more frequently value the critique of my faith from those on the outside of it, more than those from the inside.
Some would say that this could lead to syncretism - that I might adapt my faith to fit their cultural and religious expectations. To that insider's critique I say: Do you think that we may have been off a couple of degrees for sometime now? Maybe our friends on the outside looking in at Christianity have something valuable to say to us.
P.S. I really liked Marshall's response, "Faith is always measured by ones self and enjoy(ed) or tested with others." I don't think Marshall would call himself a Christian. Of course, I view my faith as being ultimately tested by God, but Marshall, your response rocks.
This was the question I asked on a tweet on New Year's Day. Once my tweet made it across the not so great divide from Twitter to Facebook it turned into a discussion. The thrusting and parrying of terms turned into a wildly different set of values about faith over the next 46 comments.
The comments can be divided up into four basic responses:
1) Our faith is personal. No one should be able to judge it.
2) Those on the inside - who believe like we do are the only one's who have a valid judgment point from which to gauge the validity of our spiritual strength, and the stability of our faith.
3) Outsiders (those who do not believe as we do) are a better gauge of our faith than those who think just as we do.
4) a general "neither" with some leaning toward the idea that only God is a real judge of faith.
Then there were some random asides which were bunny trails off the main point.
The group of people responding was a combination of conservative Christians, liberal Christians, a couple Neo-Pagans, and some harder to define people.
Faith as a personal unjudgeable element was held out as the option by those who were from every position - conservative and liberal Christian, and Neo-Pagan. Responding "neither" was similarly spread across the demographic. Responding that insiders and/or outsiders were the better judges came only from the conservative leaning evangelicals, with those who are most missional minded responding that outsiders were the better judges.
My question was not presented as query about the general validity of measuring a person's faith, as much as a recognition that it happens in this world today whether we like it or not. In typical missiological (missional for the more trackable pop term) consideration (since that is my bent) I wondered about this as it relates to the betterment of the faith system I value - Christianity - yet, not as a denominational system, but a more as mystical invisible line of demarcation - i.e those who know God generally as I know God, and follow Jesus in living measurable faith.
Off the Facebook grid, someone on Twitter responded that our faith was measured by our works. Harkening back to our Bible buddy James we know that this is a biblical concept - so it fits into my worldview, but I am still left with the question, who judges those visible works of my faith best? those who think like I do, or those who are critically evaluating my faith works (from here on out I will create a new word "faithworks") from an outsider's perspective?
The problem with an insider's perspective of my faithworks is that since they think like I do, they are far more likely to have the same blind spots, and myopic evaluations of Christianity that I have. Their view of my faith will be tainted by the little cultural, western, 20th century, evangelical Christian paradigm I have lived within. If our faith system has been off course by 2º for a couple centuries we may be miles away from plumb, and not know it, because we have been told we are on the course of the straight and narrow our whole lives. We have even been given scripture references and proof texts to validate our experience.
Now of course, the problem with the outsider's critical view is that their expectation of my faithworks may be tainted by a cultural bias against my traditions. Sexual mores, theological misstatements by church leaders, abuse int he name of religion may all play a part in a skewed reference point, and an automatic rejection of my faith system as a completely broken and invalid system of belief.
Since I am missional and driven that way by a deep seated desire to adventure into faithworks I am less concerned with how my cronies view my faith. This of course is dangerous. It could get one excommunicated by golly! But I want my faith to live in places where my "kind of faith" is typically lampooned.
Furthermore I choose (please note the word "choose") to view those who critically look at my faith as people who are typically well intentioned and in search of authenticity. I tell myself that they have probably rejected Christianity for a good reason. There are after all a couple reasons to do so. Maybe a few. Okay maybe a whole bunch. If I truly view them as being on an authentic search then I place a mantle of nobility upon them. In the course of the discussion it was observed that I appeared to place something that looked like the Romanticist's innocent savage moniker upon everyone who criticized Christianity. I responded by saying that although I did not have a Rousseauan noble savage anthropology, looking for the noble in the savage appeared quite Christ-like to me. (This will probably become a whole new post at some point soon.)
Now I know that on a person to person basis there will be Christians whose evaluation of my faith is beneficial and valuable. I also know that there will be Christians who expect me to live up to some culturally established set of unwritten and silly rules. Similarly these potentials will occur with those whose faith is different than my own, but this I do know: I more frequently value the critique of my faith from those on the outside of it, more than those from the inside.
Some would say that this could lead to syncretism - that I might adapt my faith to fit their cultural and religious expectations. To that insider's critique I say: Do you think that we may have been off a couple of degrees for sometime now? Maybe our friends on the outside looking in at Christianity have something valuable to say to us.
P.S. I really liked Marshall's response, "Faith is always measured by ones self and enjoy(ed) or tested with others." I don't think Marshall would call himself a Christian. Of course, I view my faith as being ultimately tested by God, but Marshall, your response rocks.
Labels:
cross cultural ministry,
faith,
missional,
Nobility,
Pagans,
Phil Wyman,
syncretism,
The Why Man
Friday, January 08, 2010
Salem Witches' Pub Crawl and the Pastor
Last night was Pagan Pub Crawl night in Salem, MA. Salem has some events, which are either completely unique, or at least rare. Now, I am sure that there are probably hundreds of Pagan Pub Crawls across the world, but I am also sure that there are few as well attended or colorful as ours. This one is actually officially called the "Salem Witches' Pub Crawl."
Okay, I know calling this pub crawl "ours" is probably a strange sounding thing coming from a decidedly evangelical kind of pastor like myself, but I refer to it loosely as ours. Salem is my city - so it is our pub crawl. These are my friends and they invite me to these events whenever they occur, and are genuinely happy to see me there - so I guess it is our pub crawl.
Regular faces were there. From our church (The Gathering) myself and The Prof. Carlos Z. were there.
It was a generally good event to be at - not a typical Christian potluck or bean supper - a little bawdy in discussion at times, kind of like working on a construction crew, but these are good people with a real concern for myself and for The Gathering. That may sound funny to those who haven't been to The Gathering, or visited us during our times of outreach, but that's the way life in Salem is - the Salem Witches are our friends, and we think that's the way Jesus would have it. WWJD? He would probably go to the Salem Witches Pub Crawl if He lived in Salem. So we just go in His place, since He is not living here in flesh and blood right now.
As a point of highlight I was spent quite some time with Raven Grimassi, and Stephanie Taylor-Grimassi. They are both authors and quite well known in the Pagan world.
Little did I realize, but we had something in common - a previous home - Escondido, CA. Raven and Stephanie owned a Witchcraft store in Escondido from 1998 to 2002. I spent much of my time from Junior High to Bible College in Escondido. It is as close to being the place I hail from as anywhere a transient Californian might come from. Of course, by 1999 I moved away from Southern California (note: I hate the abbreviated version SoCal - that is like telling someone from San Francisco they live in Frisco - not good etiquette) to come to Salem. Raven and Stephanie now live in Springfield, MA, and will be in Salem with some regularity.
We talked about things like the holiness of place, and whether one locale had a special spiritual significance to it, or if that holiness was something one carried around inside themselves. Myself, Raven, Stephanie, Laura Dee, and Lori Bruno discussed this and other topics such as the Middle East struggles, and the divine imprint upon creation. I found Raven and Stephanie to be intelligent and gracious communicators, and hope it will be the beginning of getting to know them better.
This doesn't quite sound like Carmen's Witch's Invitation - does it?
Okay, I know calling this pub crawl "ours" is probably a strange sounding thing coming from a decidedly evangelical kind of pastor like myself, but I refer to it loosely as ours. Salem is my city - so it is our pub crawl. These are my friends and they invite me to these events whenever they occur, and are genuinely happy to see me there - so I guess it is our pub crawl.
Regular faces were there. From our church (The Gathering) myself and The Prof. Carlos Z. were there.
It was a generally good event to be at - not a typical Christian potluck or bean supper - a little bawdy in discussion at times, kind of like working on a construction crew, but these are good people with a real concern for myself and for The Gathering. That may sound funny to those who haven't been to The Gathering, or visited us during our times of outreach, but that's the way life in Salem is - the Salem Witches are our friends, and we think that's the way Jesus would have it. WWJD? He would probably go to the Salem Witches Pub Crawl if He lived in Salem. So we just go in His place, since He is not living here in flesh and blood right now.
As a point of highlight I was spent quite some time with Raven Grimassi, and Stephanie Taylor-Grimassi. They are both authors and quite well known in the Pagan world.
Little did I realize, but we had something in common - a previous home - Escondido, CA. Raven and Stephanie owned a Witchcraft store in Escondido from 1998 to 2002. I spent much of my time from Junior High to Bible College in Escondido. It is as close to being the place I hail from as anywhere a transient Californian might come from. Of course, by 1999 I moved away from Southern California (note: I hate the abbreviated version SoCal - that is like telling someone from San Francisco they live in Frisco - not good etiquette) to come to Salem. Raven and Stephanie now live in Springfield, MA, and will be in Salem with some regularity.
We talked about things like the holiness of place, and whether one locale had a special spiritual significance to it, or if that holiness was something one carried around inside themselves. Myself, Raven, Stephanie, Laura Dee, and Lori Bruno discussed this and other topics such as the Middle East struggles, and the divine imprint upon creation. I found Raven and Stephanie to be intelligent and gracious communicators, and hope it will be the beginning of getting to know them better.
This doesn't quite sound like Carmen's Witch's Invitation - does it?
Tuesday, January 05, 2010
Atheist Blasphemy Challenge Looks Sophomoric
I understand the danger of corporate religious power, and the part strict dogma plays in isolating people, and ruining lives. I can almost fathom the possibility of a return to medieval patterns of dealing with perceived heretics, and blasphemers. I have been on the wrong side of the gavel in ecclesiastical edicts determined by false charges and I have seen the devastating wicked power which can occur at the hands of religious leaders.
To most people these things are a fantastic possibility - like tilting at windmills, or yelling at monsters under the bed at night - few people in the western world live under any serious ecclesiastical threat. The few of us who have experienced it, even under its greatly diminished power compared to medieval times, understand its dark under belly.
In the Muslim world, and in the superstitious boundaries of a highly charged animist Africa people are loosing their lives. Muslim reformers are being imprisoned and murdered. Women and children are being tortured and thrown out on the streets as accused witches.
Enter stage left the Atheist Ireland response to the recently enacted blasphemy law in Ireland. Their 25 blasphemies, which they posted online the day the law went into effect look like a sophomoric publicity stunt in comparison to the people whose lives are on the line in a real life situations.
The response by Irish authorities to the 25 blasphemies has been next to nil. I will be completely surprised if this ends up amounting to anything more than a group of people shouting obscenities at one another to get attention, and finding like a group of junior high kids standing on a street corner trying out their four letter words that no one was listening to them anyway.
Many of the atheists responding to the blasphemy law have been intelligent, well spoken, and considerate people. I have a number of atheist friends whom I count among people I trust most in this world, but for the crude and abusive ranters I have no respect.
Step aside little kids! Let the people who have the scars from the battle fight the war. We are the ones who know where the battle lines are really drawn, and understand what the real dangers of religious power look like. I think the Irish blasphemy law is really what designers say it is: made to make prosecution nearly impossible. It is a toothless lion. All the four letter words in the world can only bring up an indecency charge, and that quite frankly might be worth slapping a few nasty little boys with.
To most people these things are a fantastic possibility - like tilting at windmills, or yelling at monsters under the bed at night - few people in the western world live under any serious ecclesiastical threat. The few of us who have experienced it, even under its greatly diminished power compared to medieval times, understand its dark under belly.
In the Muslim world, and in the superstitious boundaries of a highly charged animist Africa people are loosing their lives. Muslim reformers are being imprisoned and murdered. Women and children are being tortured and thrown out on the streets as accused witches.
Enter stage left the Atheist Ireland response to the recently enacted blasphemy law in Ireland. Their 25 blasphemies, which they posted online the day the law went into effect look like a sophomoric publicity stunt in comparison to the people whose lives are on the line in a real life situations.
The response by Irish authorities to the 25 blasphemies has been next to nil. I will be completely surprised if this ends up amounting to anything more than a group of people shouting obscenities at one another to get attention, and finding like a group of junior high kids standing on a street corner trying out their four letter words that no one was listening to them anyway.
Many of the atheists responding to the blasphemy law have been intelligent, well spoken, and considerate people. I have a number of atheist friends whom I count among people I trust most in this world, but for the crude and abusive ranters I have no respect.
Step aside little kids! Let the people who have the scars from the battle fight the war. We are the ones who know where the battle lines are really drawn, and understand what the real dangers of religious power look like. I think the Irish blasphemy law is really what designers say it is: made to make prosecution nearly impossible. It is a toothless lion. All the four letter words in the world can only bring up an indecency charge, and that quite frankly might be worth slapping a few nasty little boys with.
Thursday, December 31, 2009
Jesus as the Archetype Shaman (Part 4b): Descent by crisis or struggle
This particular series was begun under the assumption that God has spoken and is speaking into all cultures of people. Could it be that ancient (and even more recent) shaman are experiencing God dynamics? If so, is it also possible that Christ models the search, the experiences, and the utopian hopes wrapped up in the vocation of the shaman?
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, "This Man is calling for Elijah!" Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink. The rest said, "Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to save Him." And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. (Mt. 27:45-50)
In the case studies of shamanic trance travels there is an oft repeated theme of crisis and shamanic travel being combined. In some cases this crisis accompanies an initial journey which beckons a neophyte into a lifetime calling of service to others as a shaman or medicine man. In other cases danger is part of the trance journey, and challenges the shaman even before he completes a descent into the under/other world.
Black Elk's initiation into his life as an Oglala Sioux Medicine Man outlines a 12 day struggle with sickness when he was a young man. For those 12 days he laid sick in his parent's teepee. In his dreams, or in trance-like state Black Elk traveled to distant places, and heard sacred things. Upon his recovery the medicine man who was credited with healing him declared that he had a special thing to do in his life, because he was "sitting in the sacred manner."
Black Elk would go on to serve as a Holy Man for nearly 50 years. During his time he joined a Messianic movement called the "Ghost Dancers," and became a Christian who served God and his tribe in a uniquely native American manner, which included dreams and trances with messianic visions.
The Altaic shamans speak of underworld journeys with dangerous bridges to be crossed on path down, and visions of shamans trapped in the underworld who could not make it because they were sinners. Evil beasts are met on the path, and must be fought or avoided. These stories retold in Eliade's book Shamanism underscore a oft repeating motif in shamanic underworld journey: It is frequently met with difficulty.
Jesus' entrance to the underworld began in the greatest of human struggles: death, and not any death, but a violent, tortuous death met at the painful hands of betrayal. His journey, which would end up victorious begins on this deadly note, and appears to have no hope for redemption.
Part 1 of the series
Part 2 of the series
Part 3 (thoughts on shamanism and glossalalia as it relates to Christians)
Part 4a of the series
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, "This Man is calling for Elijah!" Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink. The rest said, "Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to save Him." And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. (Mt. 27:45-50)
In the case studies of shamanic trance travels there is an oft repeated theme of crisis and shamanic travel being combined. In some cases this crisis accompanies an initial journey which beckons a neophyte into a lifetime calling of service to others as a shaman or medicine man. In other cases danger is part of the trance journey, and challenges the shaman even before he completes a descent into the under/other world.
Black Elk's initiation into his life as an Oglala Sioux Medicine Man outlines a 12 day struggle with sickness when he was a young man. For those 12 days he laid sick in his parent's teepee. In his dreams, or in trance-like state Black Elk traveled to distant places, and heard sacred things. Upon his recovery the medicine man who was credited with healing him declared that he had a special thing to do in his life, because he was "sitting in the sacred manner."
Black Elk would go on to serve as a Holy Man for nearly 50 years. During his time he joined a Messianic movement called the "Ghost Dancers," and became a Christian who served God and his tribe in a uniquely native American manner, which included dreams and trances with messianic visions.
The Altaic shamans speak of underworld journeys with dangerous bridges to be crossed on path down, and visions of shamans trapped in the underworld who could not make it because they were sinners. Evil beasts are met on the path, and must be fought or avoided. These stories retold in Eliade's book Shamanism underscore a oft repeating motif in shamanic underworld journey: It is frequently met with difficulty.
Jesus' entrance to the underworld began in the greatest of human struggles: death, and not any death, but a violent, tortuous death met at the painful hands of betrayal. His journey, which would end up victorious begins on this deadly note, and appears to have no hope for redemption.
Part 1 of the series
Part 2 of the series
Part 3 (thoughts on shamanism and glossalalia as it relates to Christians)
Part 4a of the series
Top 10 New Year's resolutions for the preacher in your life
As we come to the New Year, here are some resolutions you can apply to your local preacher. As a Christian preacher myself I am not suggesting things I would not be willing to do - well, okay maybe that's not completely true, but comedy has to play a part of a New Year's resolution list.
Here are the top 10 things every preacher should have on his or her list this year. These resolutions apply to those who are preachers by profession, and those who are preachers by daily habit. Please feel free to pass them on...(click to read the full article)
Here are the top 10 things every preacher should have on his or her list this year. These resolutions apply to those who are preachers by profession, and those who are preachers by daily habit. Please feel free to pass them on...(click to read the full article)
Monday, December 28, 2009
Jesus as the Archetype Shaman (Part 4a): Descent into the Underworld, entrance through a hole in the earth
Click on this image for a full map of Dante's Inferno.
"Now you are ready for your first experiential exercise in shamanism. This will be a simple journey of exploration through the Tunnel into the Lowerworld." These are the words of Michael Harner in his book The Way of the Shaman released in 1980.
Travels into the underworld were identified in Eliade's classic study of Shamanism as a regularly identifiable aspect of the practices of many shamans in many cultures. Michael Harner considers this a beginning point of learning the arts of his brand of neo-shamanism.
Eliade noted that among the Tungus the younger, newer shamans were denigrated as cowards, because many no longer took the difficult journey to the Underworld. (Shamanism: 237) Eliade's recounting of an Altaic shaman's descent in the underworld is not unlike portions of Dante's Inferno. This underworld journey is filled with challenges and tests.
In a universe which is often (but certainly not always) viewed as consisting of the three categories of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, the shaman takes the challenge of navigating the realms unseen by others for their benefit.
This particular element of shamanism is perhaps the most dramatic illustration of Jesus as the Archetypal Shaman. His death, burial, descent into Hell, and resurrection in victory is the physical/literal accomplishment of a shamanic underworld journey. The various elements of underworld journey as they are practiced across the shamanic cultures of the world appear to be fulfilled in the journey of Jesus.
This section has taken a bit more thought, and preparation than I might have anticipated initially, and so I tread this ground carefully, but I do so with a larger vision of the capacities of Jesus than I might have presented had I simply approached this as a minor exercise in anthropological missiology.
Here begins my consideration of Jesus' descent into Hell, and the place it holds in fulfilling the needs of humanity, and myths of shamanic cultures across the world.
Descent through hole in the earth (Mt. 27:57-60)
The story of Christ's descent in the Underworld begins with his burial in the cave tomb provided by Joseph of Arimithea. Holes in the ground, hollow trees, oceans, and entrances to underground rivers have been used by shamanic trance travelers as entry points into the underworld.
Christ's burial in the cave tomb has a similar point of initiatory dynamic as entering hole in the ground, or the hollow of a tree. It mimics an entry point to the underworld. Once the stone was rolled in place, Christ was sealed to the fate of his underworld journey, which to a wondering world appeared to be a permanent unconditional journey. Through His spiritual authority this was not to be a final journey to death and afterlife, but a powerful expression of his conquest over the underworld.
Mircea Eliade's book Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy
describes the ritual descent into the underworld by an Altaic Shaman. This ritual was observed by an orthodox priest who had attended and chanted at a number of these rituals in his youth. After the Shaman journeys across land, and climbs a mountain in his trace, he then is taken to a hole in the side of the mountain which leads him to the underworld - to face trials and a difficult journey before a successful return.
The journey of Christ into the underworld likewise began in an entrance upon the face of the earth. Joseph of Arimathea asked for the body of Christ to be given to him, and then with Nicodemus took the body to a new tomb, and placed the stone over the grave. This began Jesus' journey to the underworld. He began it as a dead man, and would return in archetypal shamanistic fashion three days later as master over life and death.
more to come...this is the first section of part 4 in the series on Jesus as the Archetypal Shaman. There are likely to be half a dozen sections to this part alone.
Part 1 of the series
Part 2 of the series
Part 3 (thoughts on shamanism and glossalalia as it relates to Christians)

"Now you are ready for your first experiential exercise in shamanism. This will be a simple journey of exploration through the Tunnel into the Lowerworld." These are the words of Michael Harner in his book The Way of the Shaman released in 1980.
Travels into the underworld were identified in Eliade's classic study of Shamanism as a regularly identifiable aspect of the practices of many shamans in many cultures. Michael Harner considers this a beginning point of learning the arts of his brand of neo-shamanism.
Eliade noted that among the Tungus the younger, newer shamans were denigrated as cowards, because many no longer took the difficult journey to the Underworld. (Shamanism: 237) Eliade's recounting of an Altaic shaman's descent in the underworld is not unlike portions of Dante's Inferno. This underworld journey is filled with challenges and tests.
In a universe which is often (but certainly not always) viewed as consisting of the three categories of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, the shaman takes the challenge of navigating the realms unseen by others for their benefit.
This particular element of shamanism is perhaps the most dramatic illustration of Jesus as the Archetypal Shaman. His death, burial, descent into Hell, and resurrection in victory is the physical/literal accomplishment of a shamanic underworld journey. The various elements of underworld journey as they are practiced across the shamanic cultures of the world appear to be fulfilled in the journey of Jesus.
This section has taken a bit more thought, and preparation than I might have anticipated initially, and so I tread this ground carefully, but I do so with a larger vision of the capacities of Jesus than I might have presented had I simply approached this as a minor exercise in anthropological missiology.
Here begins my consideration of Jesus' descent into Hell, and the place it holds in fulfilling the needs of humanity, and myths of shamanic cultures across the world.
Descent through hole in the earth (Mt. 27:57-60)
The story of Christ's descent in the Underworld begins with his burial in the cave tomb provided by Joseph of Arimithea. Holes in the ground, hollow trees, oceans, and entrances to underground rivers have been used by shamanic trance travelers as entry points into the underworld.
Christ's burial in the cave tomb has a similar point of initiatory dynamic as entering hole in the ground, or the hollow of a tree. It mimics an entry point to the underworld. Once the stone was rolled in place, Christ was sealed to the fate of his underworld journey, which to a wondering world appeared to be a permanent unconditional journey. Through His spiritual authority this was not to be a final journey to death and afterlife, but a powerful expression of his conquest over the underworld.
Mircea Eliade's book Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy
The journey of Christ into the underworld likewise began in an entrance upon the face of the earth. Joseph of Arimathea asked for the body of Christ to be given to him, and then with Nicodemus took the body to a new tomb, and placed the stone over the grave. This began Jesus' journey to the underworld. He began it as a dead man, and would return in archetypal shamanistic fashion three days later as master over life and death.
more to come...this is the first section of part 4 in the series on Jesus as the Archetypal Shaman. There are likely to be half a dozen sections to this part alone.
Part 1 of the series
Part 2 of the series
Part 3 (thoughts on shamanism and glossalalia as it relates to Christians)
Saturday, December 26, 2009
Kenyan Witch hunts highlight seriousness of problem
The report from the Al Jazeera website on the Kenyan witch hunts highlights an ongoing problem in Africa. This is not limited to Kenya, but appears be a problem throughout the continent. Superstition, greed, poverty, and corrupt religious leaders appear to be stirring up community fears, and it is costing lives.
Previous posts on this subject:
Persecution of Supposed Witches on the Rise
Witch Children of Africa Cont.
The Children of Pentecostal Theology?
Previous posts on this subject:
Persecution of Supposed Witches on the Rise
Witch Children of Africa Cont.
The Children of Pentecostal Theology?
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superstition,
Witch Children of Africa,
Witchcraft
Monday, December 21, 2009
Auschwitz Sign Found After Being Stolen: My Thoughts
After being stolen on Friday morning the famous sign over the gate to the entrance of Auschwitz has been found in a house 100 miles away. For more on my thoughts about this go here.
Saturday, December 19, 2009
Saint Elijah's Monastery Being "Healed"
The monastery in Iraq has become a post for American soldiers, but they have taken upon themselves to restore this ancient "house of God." Read more here.
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Another Blog?! Yep, about My One Thousand Things To Do
I have this blog, which appears to be my most visited, but of course after 314 posts over the course of a few years, this would be my most prolific blog as well. Then there is the fact that I talk about weird things like Christians as Pre-Mortem Psychopomps, or hanging out with Pagans. This is my theology, ecclesiology, missional, and maybe even catch all blog.
Then my original blog (The Why Man), which has another 200 posts (yep, exactly 200) has maybe half the visitors as this one, but was popular for the Duck Daddy Chronicles. The Why Man is my cathartic life stories blog.
Then the church has a blog, and I am one of a few contributors there. It is what it is - a church life blog.
Less used, but active as March 1st moves closer is the blog about the Patron Saint of Wales and his holyday. Saint David's Day Blog. Obviously this is a specific Welsh connection kind of blog.
Well, now I have another blog. Yep, another. It is called My 1,000 Things To Do. It is my what am I going to do with rest of my life blog. I'd love to have you poke your nose in there from time to time, and if you wanted to hit the button on the Google friend connect, or follow through NetworkedBlogs on Facebook, that's cool too.
Then my original blog (The Why Man), which has another 200 posts (yep, exactly 200) has maybe half the visitors as this one, but was popular for the Duck Daddy Chronicles. The Why Man is my cathartic life stories blog.
Then the church has a blog, and I am one of a few contributors there. It is what it is - a church life blog.
Less used, but active as March 1st moves closer is the blog about the Patron Saint of Wales and his holyday. Saint David's Day Blog. Obviously this is a specific Welsh connection kind of blog.
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